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I did that and it was exactly what Zack wanted for Arthur Curry. I knew they werenвЂ™t going to cast me, so I thought I might as well just do something fun. But I did the audition, and I played it like if Batman was this vagrant, kind of a hustler.

Then Zack Snyder called and he wanted me to audition for Batman, and I was like, вЂњNah.вЂќ I couldnвЂ™t see myself getting Batman, so I almost said no to the whole thing. People were like, вЂњOh, we love Jason,вЂќ but still didnвЂ™t know what to do with me.

In my reading of your career, it seems as if it wasnвЂ™t until you played Khal Drogo and had a clear persona that the starring roles started coming. Jason Momoa with Amber Heard and Willem Dafoe in вЂњAquamanвЂќ (2018). So while youвЂ™re going, вЂњOh yeah, itвЂ™s just this popcorn movie,вЂќ IвЂ™m like, вЂњWell, I get to open peopleвЂ™s eyes to things that are important to me.вЂќ I have a vision for the whole totality of вЂњAquaman.вЂќ There are environmental issues that I get to put into it.

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IвЂ™m not someone who gets hired to play in a lot of cinema, but by being able to do a superhero movie, I can make a movie about something I really care about. YouвЂ™re taking away visual effects, youвЂ™re taking away what you can do with makeup. And, gosh, youвЂ™re taking away other art forms if you stop making them. So, yeah, superhero movies are bubble gum, but theyвЂ™re like Greek mythology: They have good and evil and heartbreaking moments. But you know how hard it is just to get your music out there for people to hear? ItвЂ™s all subjective. These are films made with a focus on sales, but how much room do you feel you have to also make them artistically credible? ItвЂ™s like how people say that music is poppy and this music cool. People love them, obviously, but you also get things like Martin Scorsese saying theyвЂ™re closer to amusement-park rides than cinema. IвЂ™m curious to hear your perspective on superhero movies. вЂњIвЂ™m finally getting to play characters with depth and color,вЂќ Momoa says, speaking over Zoom from London, where he was shooting an вЂњAquamanвЂќ sequel. Before then, in late August, Momoa will star in the Netflix thriller вЂњSweet Girl,вЂќ which nods to big-pharma corruption amid its hard-boiled milieu, as well as the second season of his Apple series, вЂњSee,вЂќ a family drama dressed in bloodstained, post-apocalyptic clothing. To that end, Momoa, who played the lead in вЂњAquaman,вЂќ tested his acting chops alongside the likes of Oscar Isaac, Javier Bardem and TimothГ©e Chalamet in the director Denis VilleneuveвЂ™s adaptation of the classic sci-fi novel вЂњDune,вЂќ which is due out in October. Lately, Momoa, who is 42, has been taking on the perhaps even harder challenge of expanding that initial impression. A decade ago, the action star Jason Momoa seemed to emerge fully formed into the public consciousness as the magnetically imposing chieftain Khal Drogo on вЂњGame of Thrones.вЂќ The truth, of course, is that his breakthrough came only after a long, hard slog through the Hollywood hinterlands.

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